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- INTERIM_MEETING_REPORT_
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- Reported by Dave Crocker/TBO
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- Minutes of the IP Address Encapsulation Working Group (IPAE)
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- This meeting took place on August 27, 1992 via Videoconference and was,
- essentially, a review session for a number of issues. The one item
- which was pursued further was a report from Steve Deering about
- Addressing.
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- Administrivia
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- Copies of the current versions of the specifications, Craig Partidge's
- BSD diffs, and a few other files are now at PARC.
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- Mike Conn, of MCI, has very gratiously offered to provide a
- teleconferencing bridge (telephone) for future meetings. This will
- allow those not able to go to a videoconferencing site to participate
- over the phone.
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- Addressing (Steve Deering)
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- Discussion about Geographic-based addressing has gone in the direction
- of allowing Provider-based addressing _also]_, to handle the early
- stages of the new addressing plan. It appears that to remain strictly
- geographic will require very considerable complexity inside the datagram
- routing service, since metropolitan areas are, in no way, guaranteed to
- have inter-vendor transfer sites (now dubbed `Metropolitan Internet
- Exchange' or ``MIX''.)
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- There is a need to ensure that the primary addressing authority is
- independent of any provider.
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- There is also a continuing concern that the MIX concept requires sharing
- of customer information between competitors. They is the retort that
- that information is discernible anyhow.
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- Discussions will continue. Next Addressing meeting will be September
- 11th.
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- Side note: The Group feels that the specifications need to be crystal
- clear about the philosophy that is driving their choices, to facilitate
- evaluation among the different proposals.
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- ACTION: (Crocker) upgrade specs to emphasize end-user friendly and
- installed base friendly intent of IPAE.
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- There is intended to be support for ``multi-homed'' commonwealths. That
- is, a host may have more than one commonwealth ID. This might facilitate
- transition issues, such as from vendor-oriented addressing to
- geographic, but it still requires the ability to add and delete
- addresses. The question of the way to propagate such information is
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- still open.
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- IPAE Options
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- At the previous meeting, the question of providing space for IPAE-level
- options was discussed and rejected. At this meeting, we reviewed the
- decision, with no one suggesting it be reversed.
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- IPAE Border Router Discovery
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- This was another review topic. In general, most of the techniques that
- are used to discover an IP first-hop router can be re-used to discover
- the IPAE first-hop (i.e., border) router. But John Moy suggested use of
- a fixed, logical address, written into the IPAE spec. This could then
- trigger an IPAE-ICMP Redirect, when a logical border router gets the
- first IPAE datagram.
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- A concern was raised that this scheme would have trouble if the user
- datagram is fragmented, along the way to the border router, and worse,
- the fragments traveled to different logical border routers. The
- conclusion was that fragmentation is relatively rare and this is
- yet-another strong vote for MTU Discovery. Further, multiple
- destinations occurs only due to path-splitting or a transient problem.
- The former is something that can be limited, for the logical address,
- and the latter is ``only'' a transient problem.
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- Miscellaneous
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- ACTION: (Crocker) The spec needs to better detail the behavior of the
- _exit_ border routers (the last IPAE hop before the destination host.)
- More protocol mechanics.
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- ACTION: (Crocker) Spec should give an example of address handling, as
- IPAE datagram moves through the Internet.
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- ICMP
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- Sigh.
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- IPAE intends to permit permanent support for unmodified routers, within
- a commonwealth. This means that routers will be generating current
- (old- style) ICMP message, which means ICMP messages without the full
- (IPAE, global) addresses of the originating host whose action triggered
- the ICMP datagram. The exit border router (last hop before the router
- generating the ICMP) has the task of turning the ICMP into an IPAE
- datagram.
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- But it can't do that if it does not have the full global address of the
- originating host.
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- Only three options seem available:
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- 1. Seek to have routers upgraded to generate larger ICMP datagrams, so
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- that they will include the IPAE header from the originating host.
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- 2. Have the Border router throw away ICMPs that it can't convert
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- 3. Have the Border router perform some sort of record-keeping of IPAE
- datagrams, so that it can match the returned 64-bits with a full
- IPAE global address.
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- The Group discussed these options. After appropriate (and large)
- amounts of illness-feeling, it was agreed that no other options seem to
- exist and all of the listed options were terrible. Options 1 and 2 seem
- like the most constructive and practical, with option 3 unlikely.
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- ACTION: (Champlin) Survey existing router behavior, to determine the
- size of ICMP datagrams they actually generate, to determine if the
- theoretical problem is real.
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- ACTION: (Crocker) Verify Host Requirements statements about ICMP size.
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- ACTION: (Crocker) Add relevant text to Spec (not Transition doc) about
- this issue, including reasonable options.
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